Curse

Malice Black · Jan 02, 2007, 03:48 AM // 03:48

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Originally Posted by Anphobia

Couldn't Anet just allow players to carry 200k on them as apposed to 100k, that way ecto's would become less needed and the price would surely drop in time without any disastrous economistic effects.

The phrase "don't fix something that isn't broken" applies here.

manitoba1073 · Jan 02, 2007, 03:50 AM // 03:50

NO

I want ectos back to 25k each. only way to make money. Damn people as if things werent easy enough to get for those that are lazy to actually go out and get stuff.

Stormcloud · Jan 02, 2007, 03:51 AM // 03:51

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Originally Posted by The Admins Bane

The phrase "don't fix something that isn't broken" applies here.

I was thinking.....

WTS "insert high end weapon here" 200k + XX ecto

Akhilleus · Jan 02, 2007, 04:05 AM // 04:05

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Originally Posted by Drop of Fear

price of ectos is this high because ebayers buy them as a mean to obtain the weapon they meant to spend their ebay gold for.

this shows exactly how little you know about GW.
this is a rather bad idea...
for one, why create platinum bars when they could just increase the storage limit?
secondly, guildwars has a market economy. to think that including platinum bars would deliver a set price to ectos, is ludicrous.
yes, it would lower their value, at least initially. but because they'd no longer be as heavily used, they would consequently DUN DUN DUN, not be as heavily farmed, thus putting their prices right back up to (for example) the steady 6-8k range we saw through all of nightfall, as well as increasing the difficulty in which you could aquire them routinely.
and thus, your (keyword YOUR) motivation for the change in the first place, would most likely backfire on you.
dont believe me? before people were regularly using ecto as trade moderation items (back in june and whatnot, when many people resorted to pain-in-the-ass methods of finishing trades in excess of 100k, and back when it took 2 weeks to find enough ectos to get an FoW set) their price was a steady 7-9k; right where it is now.
please, think before you type.

Orphan Anthem · Jan 02, 2007, 04:16 AM // 04:16

Anyone else remember 3-5k ectos? I sure do. what happened? price went back up

VanDamselx · Jan 02, 2007, 04:20 AM // 04:20

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Originally Posted by xiaotsu

Eh, don't be so sure of that. Let's look into the real world for a comparison(yes, I know, the real world is not GW, same concept though).

Look at gas prices, the companies set those prices, we're all angry about it, they just keep going up and up. Let's see, we, the buyers, didn't set those prices.

Now look at ectos, let's say you see 12 people selling ectos for 8k each. Offer all 12 people 7.5k each and they're going to laugh at you because they know they can get 8k. Gg, yet again the sellers set the standard.

That wasn't my point, though. What I was getting at was that if Anet set the prices for ectos they would screw up the player-made economy, whether it's the sellers or the buyers deciding the prices doesn't matter.

Actually, we do set the prices. It's just that people kept buying and OPEC saw people will still pay for gas even when the prices are ridiculously high. People didn't opt to carpool or boycott gas on a national scale, we did not hurt OPEC's sales or any refineries here. Gas is not a good example of this. Buyers and sellers both work on it equally. If they're going for 8k at the trader, a buyer will not purchase an ecto for 8k from a seller. A buy may ask for 6.5k and a seller may refuse to sell that low. Ectos will go down the day people think they are worthless, which will likely never happen. (remember how it was before Factions?)

Malice Black · Jan 02, 2007, 04:29 AM // 04:29

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Originally Posted by Stormcloud

I was thinking.....

WTS "insert high end weapon here" 200k + XX ecto

What is the point? it only lower the number of ecto needed in a trade by a small percentage..overall the high-end people would still carry the same amount of ecto so it would solve nothing.

Blackhawk · Jan 02, 2007, 04:48 AM // 04:48

Have to admit this idea scores highly on the Crapometer...

@The Admins Bane, I take it from your signature/footnote that Kurt's latest venture backfired slightly

Stormcloud · Jan 02, 2007, 04:50 AM // 04:50

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Originally Posted by The Admins Bane

What is the point? it only lower the number of ecto needed in a trade by a small percentage..overall the high-end people would still carry the same amount of ecto so it would solve nothing.

I was trying to quote the quote in your post:

" Couldn't Anet just allow players to carry 200k on them as apposed to 100k, that way ecto's would become less needed and the price would surely drop in time without any disastrous economistic effects."

I was merely saying increasing the limit to 200k wouldnt remove ecto from the system.

VanDamselx · Jan 02, 2007, 04:53 AM // 04:53

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Originally Posted by xiaotsu

Eh, don't be so sure of that. Let's look into the real world for a comparison(yes, I know, the real world is not GW, same concept though).

Look at gas prices, the companies set those prices, we're all angry about it, they just keep going up and up. Let's see, we, the buyers, didn't set those prices.

Now look at ectos, let's say you see 12 people selling ectos for 8k each. Offer all 12 people 7.5k each and they're going to laugh at you because they know they can get 8k. Gg, yet again the sellers set the standard.

That wasn't my point, though. What I was getting at was that if Anet set the prices for ectos they would screw up the player-made economy, whether it's the sellers or the buyers deciding the prices doesn't matter.

Actually, we do set the prices. It's just that people kept buying and OPEC saw people will still pay for gas even when the prices are ridiculously high. People didn't opt to carpool or boycott gas on a national scale, we did not hurt OPEC's sales or any refineries here. Gas is not a good example of this. Buyers and sellers both work on it equally. If they're going for 8k at the trader, a buyer will not purchase an ecto for 8k from a seller. A buy may ask for 6.5k and a seller may refuse to sell that low. Ectos will go down the day people think they are worthless, which will likely never happen. (remember how it was before Factions?)

Matsumi · Jan 02, 2007, 05:27 AM // 05:27

How about this... if they just nuke FoW and UW, then have melandru and lyssa take over. Start fresh, remove ectos, shards, and FoW armor from the game. It's not a good alternative to currency anyway. New system comes in with the 2 new elite areas, except having no rare material drops or armors secluded to those areas. Amount of platinum able to be carried by characters decreased to 50k. Maximum amount able to fit in storage, 500k. Alternate currency = optional, ectos = worth nothing.

Sounds good to me.

Malice Black · Jan 02, 2007, 06:07 PM // 18:07

So your saying that all the ecto people have grinded hard for should be deleted? hmmm I hope you have somewhere to hide.

Str0b0 · Jan 02, 2007, 06:30 PM // 18:30

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Originally Posted by leprekan

Stick around guru spawns at least one like this everyday.

Anet can't touch ecto anyway it would really fubar the economy when the stampede to sell off happened.

QFT. If there was ever even an inkling that A Net might jigger the ecto prices in a bad way there would be a huge sell off overnight, causing the price to plummet and generally leading to a drastic economic imbalance. I don't see why people get worked up over the economy anyway. Unless you're in a perfect communist system there will always be the super rich, the super poor and then everyone in the middle. That's the way it works in the real world and that's how it works here. Jiggering prices will not help things! Jiggering the way items are handled at merchants and service providers will not help! The only way you'll see a drastic change will be if everyone suddenly stops charging high prices for things like ecto and rare skins. In order for that to happen you have to have a large supply and well these things are rare.

The economy is fine. The way things work is fine. The simple fact of the matter is that people have to accept that things are in fact functioning normally and move on to figuring out how to work within the system to get what they want.

eudas · Jan 02, 2007, 08:09 PM // 20:09

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Originally Posted by Str0b0

The simple fact of the matter is that people have to accept that things are in fact functioning normally and move on to figuring out how to work within the system to get what they want.

Now that's just crazy talk!

eudas

Anghardel · Jan 02, 2007, 08:33 PM // 20:33

I remember when I started playing Guild Wars, about 16-17 months ago. When I first looked at the Rare Materials and Dye trader in Ascalon after going post-searing for the first time the price of Globs of Ectoplasm and Black dye were around 16-18k per unit.

Over time things have settled, and nowadays the price of Globs of Ectoplasm has settled around 8-9.5k, with the average price being about 8.5k at any given time - meaning that you can purchase Globs of Ectoplasm at around 7.5k from those selling in Lion's Arch, Temple of Ages, etc.

I wouldn't say that the storage and useage of Ectoplasm in place of gold is a bad means of exchanging currency. With the way that Ectoplasm now hovers in this 1.5k price gap between high and low days you aren't really losing any money today that you spent yesterday, or making a heap of money tomorrow on what you bought cheaply today.

When Nightfall came out I was certain that Globs of Ectoplasm would not necessarily sky-rocket, but at least bump themselves up by a semi-considerable amount. I never saw such a fluctuation. The Guild Wars community simply transitioned into a new installment of the game.

The idea being tossed around this thread to justify the cost of FoW armor - in globs of ectoplasm, as nobody seems to have much of an issue with shards - isn't really all that amazing either. The task of acquiring the ectoplasm necessary for a piece, or even a set of FoW armor, is not that daunting. Many classes can solo-farm the Underworld these days. Yes, it's still an amazingly expensive process to purchase FoW armor, but if you want to acquire the materials through farming and not purchasing you don't have to waste much time at all. I used the skills I had purchased and capped on my Ritualist to solo-farm my FoW headpiece in two days, and after purchasing it I still have enough ecto left over to craft my boots if I choose, or to put me well on my way to grabbing the chest-piece.

My point in this: Ecto doesn't really need to be reviewed. It has two main uses and serves those points very well, without fluctuating so much that you benefit or find yourself screwed over too much. I haven't seen an extremely upsetting or uplifting experience involving the monetary value of Globs of Ectoplasm in some time.

Sir Skullcrasher · Jan 02, 2007, 08:41 PM // 20:41

I think the ectos price is not as bad as before.

Malice Black · Jan 02, 2007, 08:51 PM // 20:51

the 20k+ days were interesting lol

Lews · Jan 02, 2007, 08:53 PM // 20:53

OR MAKE SIGILS WORTH 100k AGAIN NOOOOBS.

Cygnus_Zero · Jan 02, 2007, 09:03 PM // 21:03

The fact that we need to use ecto for currency is going to need to be dealt with. Ectos exist solely for people to get FoW armor with. Their a rare drop, so it's fairly expensive. But that was only because people needed them to get FoW armor. We are now in the 3rd chapter, and FoW armor is becoming less and less desirable because of it's age and the factt that we have 2 more campaigns filled with fresh new armor. We have another chapter coming out in a few months, and FoW will become even less desirable.

So when the demand for ectos goes further down, how can they be used for currency when noone will want to buy your ectos from you? I had a stack of 25 ectos that I had a very difficult time selling in LA, Kaineng and Kamadan. It's very clear to me that FoW armor is going way down in popularity. And that's when it hit me how ridiculous it is that we have to use them for currency. How can an item be used as currency when noone wants it?

Is it impossible to raise how much money we can hold? I dont see how hat storage and a party window is more important than this.

Akhilleus · Jan 02, 2007, 09:15 PM // 21:15

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Originally Posted by Cygnus_Zero

The fact that we need to use ecto for currency is going to need to be dealt with. Ectos exist solely for people to get FoW armor with. Their a rare drop, so it's fairly expensive. But that was only because people needed them to get FoW armor. We are now in the 3rd chapter, and FoW armor is becoming less and less desirable because of it's age and the factt that we have 2 more campaigns filled with fresh new armor. We have another chapter coming out in a few months, and FoW will become even less desirable.

So when the demand for ectos goes further down, how can they be used for currency when noone will want to buy your ectos from you? I had a stack of 25 ectos that I had a very difficult time selling in LA, Kaineng and Kamadan. It's very clear to me that FoW armor is going way down in popularity. And that's when it hit me how ridiculous it is that we have to use them for currency. How can an item be used as currency when noone wants it?

Is it impossible to raise how much money we can hold? I dont see how hat storage and a party window is more important than this.

when was the last time someone asked you for a wad of 1 dollar bills so they could make a really nice shirt out of them?
answer: unless you know some REALLY jacked up people...probably never.
ecto, like currency, have a minimal (if any) value at all as far as their individual use goes.
what gives them the ability to go down to the local store and buy crap with them then?
simple: the fact that the person you're giving them to knows that they, too, can repeat this process.
the fact that you had a hard time selling ecto was more likely due to the fact that NOTHING is a guaranteed quick sale. certainly, i would expect you to be able to empty 25 ecto fairly quickly (hell, i'd have offered you for em), but not everyone hangs around LA and kamadan. and most of the time ecto are sold in places like ToA and the other UW/FoW entry locations.